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Beyond the Ocean

A podcast on surf parks, wave generating technologies, and the future of surfing outside the ocean.

Beyond the Ocean is an interview series focused on the impact of technology on the future of surfing. We speak with authors, actors, industry experts, and pro surfers about their views and experiences in, and beyond the ocean. 

The show is powered by Surf Park Central and the Surf Park Summit.

“Technology has forced surfing to evolve, and we’re here to talk about it”

— Chris Kluesener, Host, Beyond the Ocean

“To build a surf park, it’s a sexy idea, but in reality you need someone with guts to pull it off.”

— Shane Beschen, Pro Surfer, Surf Park Entrepreneur

“All the naysayers who are bagging on surf parks, are people who haven’t ridden one yet.”

— Randy Rarick, Former Executive Director for the VANS Triple Crown of Surfing

Listen to Our Podcast Episodes

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Episode 19 – Seán Young

Wavgarden is a leader in the surf park space, with multiple facilities currently open and operating, with dozens more in the works. Seán Young, Wavegarden’s Head of Development Projects, joins episode 19 of Beyond the Ocean. Young discusses his role in helping parks go from concept to reality and the steps new surf parks must take to create a successful surfing experience. He also looks at what’s to come for Wavegarden and the surf park industry as a whole. ABOUT SEÁN YOUNG: Seán Young was a founder member of Locum Destination Consulting, the Head of

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Episode 18 – Ryder Thomas

In an honest conversation about finances, costs, and other factors in making surf parks a reality, we hear from Ryder Thomas with Pro Swell in episode 18 of Beyond the Ocean. Thomas shares what makes surf parks jump from the sketch pad to a viable business and what blocks so many parks from ever opening in the first place. In this episode, Thomas discusses the industry’s growth and how it has become a huge investment center today, as well as where the industry is heading with park ownership as expansion continues. ABOUT RYDER THOMAS: Ryder

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Episode 17 – Kristina Chang

In the 17th episode of Beyond the Ocean, we hear from Kristina Chang, president of Westlake Wave Co. Kristina and her team work to be the leaders when it comes to creating waves for any surfer, with an emphasis on newcomers. Westlake Wave Co. aims to make waves that work for beginners and other newer surfers to create a more inviting entrance into surfing. In this episode, Chang discusses her start in surfing and how it inspired her to lead the team at Westlake Wave Co. Not only is the wave technology company focused on

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Episode 16 – Bruce Quay

Beyond the Ocean returns with Episode 16 with Bruce Quay, the COO of Aquatic Development Group (ADG), the team behind EpicSurf. Quay discusses the path that led him to become COO of a water park design and wave manufacturing company, as well as ADG’s extensive background in the industry, getting people outside and into water sports; and explains how EpicSurf and stationary surf waves will create a more inclusive surf experience at surf parks and other adventure parks. In this episode, Quay also discusses Play Surf Ride, ADG’s concept for water-based adventure parks that incorporate

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Episode 15 – Dr. Mike Roberts

In this very special episode, we’re joined by co-host and Co-Founder of Surf Park Central, Dr. Jess Ponting. Jess is also a Professor of Sustainable Surf Tourism at San Diego State, and the Co-Founder of Stoke, a sustainability certification organization. This episode will be the first of a variety from our INSIDER series, featuring long-form expert interviews conducted by Jess along with industry leaders and change-makers. In today’s episode, Jess is joined by a friend and colleague, Dr. Mike Roberts Professor of Sociology, to discuss the evolution of surfing culture in the context of surf

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Episode 14 – Damon Tudor

On this episode of the Beyond the Ocean podcast we’re joined by Damon Tudor. Damon is the CEO of URBNSURF and joined the business at the start of 2019. Having successfully led the completion and launch of URBNSURF Melbourne, the group has now commenced construction on its second location in Sydney. An experienced CEO and General Manager, Damon has spent over 25 years in a range of consumer-focused industries across goods and services, delivering several transformation projects, holding key executive roles with African & Eastern Middle East (as part of AB Inbev), Nakheel Middle East

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Episode 13 – Matthew Hyslop

On this episode of the Beyond the Ocean podcast we’re joined by Matthew Hyslop, Associate Director of the Destination Consulting Group at Colliers, one of the world’s largest commercial real estate firms. Matthew helps create successful destinations by consulting owners, developers, investors and operators of visitor-facing businesses. He has worked in the surf park industry for many years, most notably with the Surf Snowdonia project in the U.K. Surf Snowdonia is the world’s first inland surf lagoon, located at Adventure Parc Snowdonia, and is powered by Wavegarden’s Lagoon technology.  In this episode of Beyond the

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Episode 12 – Shaun Tomson

On this episode of the Beyond the Ocean podcast we’re joined by surfing legend, former world champion, environmentalist, author, and motivational speaker Shaun Tomson. A former World Surfing Champion from South Africa, Shaun has been named 1 of the 10 greatest surfers of all time. The keynote speaker of Surf Park Summit 2021, Shaun Tomson, was also the keynote speaker of the first-ever Surf Park Summit in 2013. In this episode of Beyond the Ocean, he and our host, Chris Kluesener, talk about the surfing revolution, the “surfer’s code”, the future of surf parks, and

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Episode 11 – Bryan Dickerson

On this episode of the Beyond the Ocean podcast we’re joined by Bryan Dickerson, creator and editor-in-chief of WavePoolMag. Bryan and Beyond the Ocean host, Chris Kluesener, take a trip through Europe, as Bryan shares insights about the surf park experience in different European countries. Bryan tells of firsthand experiences throughout Europe, while discussing the future of surf parks and wave pool technology. This episode gets in-depth, as Bryan and Chris get into the nitty gritty of surf park and wave technology, and discuss where the industry is going. About Bryan Dickerson Bryan Dickerson is

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Episode 10 – Sunshine Makarow

We’re back with Beyond the Ocean podcast with Sunshine Makarow for the coaching and progression in surf parks episode. Sunshine, a former professional surfer and marketing leader, sits down with host, Chris Kluesener, to discuss her unique focus on training, development, and progression in surfing. Sunshine, as a former professional surfing athlete, has spent more time than most on training and coaching in surfing to improve her paddle, turns, and even her mental game in the water. This episode gets into the fun details about how surf park operators and developers can consider the impact

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Meet Your Host

Chris Kluesener

Chris is the Managing Partner at Surf Park Central, where he oversees strategy, sales, and growth. He is an entrepreneur, digital product leader, technology enthusiast, and lifelong surfer living on the South Shore of Massachusetts, originally from Long Island, NY. 

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